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harris-perry. we have breaking news from the middle east this morning. dozen of turkish hostages have been released. they returned this morning to cheering crowds. it was feared for the hostages' safety that kept them from getting in the fight with isis. and this week congress voted on the very fight, agreeing to authorize the united states military to train and arm syrian rebels. it was the first fullment of a request made by president obama. the response was overwhelming. 78-22 in the senate. we heard republicans saying things in support of the president and his authority. >> i frankly think the president's request is a sound one. there's a lot more we need to be doing. there's no reason for us not to do what the president asked us to do. >> what would our enemies and
allies think if we rejected the president's authority to do this? >> so yes, congress did something in twine etc. vacations. and that's news in itself. the president was quick to say the votes show his campaign is united. >> this shows the world that americans are united in confronting the threat from isil. these terrorists thought they could frighten us but today they're learning the same hard lesson of petty tyrants and terrorist who is have gone before. we do no give into fear. when you harm our citizens, when you threaten the united states, it doesn't divide us. it unites us. >> but congress did not authorize air strikes against isis in iraq. congress did not green light air strikes against isis in syria. congress did not give permission to the the president to wage war
against isis. but the president didn't ask for their permission. the same president who has a candidate spoke clearly on the limits of a president's power to go to war. and in 2011 then senator obama said, quote, the president does not have power under the constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack that does north involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation, and yelt here we are. despite president obama's repeated statements that isis does not pose an immediate threat to the nation the war has already begun. united states central command has already laumplged 176 air strikes against iraq. and the pentagon has a plan in place. but this is not just president obama issue. every president is faced with the request of weather to go to war. often an unrelenting push to say yes, whether or not congress
approves. in united states invaded the caribbean island without asking for authorization by congress. in 1989 the first president bush ordered thousands of u.s. combat troops into panama, again without asking congress. in 1999 president clinton sent the military to assist nato in kosovo. congress debated several to different degrees and some that would have prohibited military action but naifr came to a consensus. president busch got authority for the but they also took the view under the constitution the president could unilaterally make war in order to avoid future attacks on any american at home or overseas. it was president bush's successes that helped set up president obama to make history. but it's precisely the urge of commanders in chief to go to war that the founders try to protect
against. the constitution splits the power to go to war between the president and congress. so it's not just one person who makes the decision of whether to bring an entire country to the battlefield. as then senator obama said when hefgs running for president, it is always preferable to have the informed consent of congress prior to any military action. joining me from washington is kristen welker. is the president feeling any pressure to come back to congress later this year and ask for broader authorization for the war against isis? >> i think he's feeling the pressure, dorian. but there's no indication he's planning to do that at this point in time. president obama has said he believes he has the authority to act unilaterally. to wage the air strikes against isis targets in iraq and syria because of legislation that was signed under george w. bush in 2001. it gives the president the
authority to go off al qaeda and its affiliates. they argue isis is an affiliate of al qaeda. ironically president obama has argued that legislation should be repealed. so the white house finds itself walking a very fine line right now rhetorically. but the pressure is mounding. more and more lawmakers are saying they want a vote. senator tim kin introduce legislation that would give the senate and congress a vote on wlrnt to move forward with the military action. and a group of bipartisan members of the house urging leader pelosi and john boehner to bring a vote to the floor to give president obama the authority to wage military action against isis. what i can tell you is pressure is mounding. lawmakers are saying they want to vote on it when they come back in november november, but there's nop indication they will
actually do anything more than debate. >> so after november, of course. after the midterm elections. i want to shift gears and ask you about last night. someone was able to jump the white house fence and get inside the white house and you were there. can you tell us what happened? >> it was stunning. someone identified as 42-year-old omar gonzalez jumped the fence at the white house at 7:20 p.m. he ran all the the way up the north lawn. and he made it into the doors of the portico. so essentially entered the residence of the white house. he was apprehended immediately right after he walked through the doors. the first family wasn't home at the time. they had already left for camp david. secret service say it's not at aum acceptable he was apprehended in that location. they're launching a large investigation to determine what happened and to prevent it from
happening in the future. >> thank you. i want to come back to the issue of executive authority and bring in my panel. coauthor of the national security blog just security. amy edison executive director of newyorker.com. distinguished senior fellow at demoos. so i want to turn to you. the uz the president have authority for this war? >> unfortunately not. the best thing so far was the authorization was given after 9/11 in the 2001 congressional statute. that theory doesn't hold up. i would put it this way. the theory they articulated was never heard before last week. and the idea that isis is a part of al qaeda is a stretch for a number of reasons. first, they didn't exist on 9/11. second, the two groups have fallen out with each other.
secretary kerry said it was a political substantiate. but the two groups are fighting each other. they are mortal enemies in syria. so it's difficult to call them a successor sor to al qaeda when in fact they're up against each other. >> why is it important for us to believe the president might be acting legally. and does it matter anyway when the majority of americans support this plan and we have a recent poll that shows 62% of americans support the parking light's decision on isis. 22% oppose it does it matter? >> it matters a great deal. >> why? >> because the law matters. the constitution matters. because what we call these conflicts matters. it also disstarts how we go into it. in order for the president to say that he has the authority to do this he said isis is and isn't. he also said this conflict is
what it isn't in order to not get to a position where might be would say he has to go to congress. we heard him calling this a counterterrorism effort. where does that set up the consent and real debate about what this might become? it constrains the president from speaking as honestly and openly about what we're doing as he can and should because he's trying to find a space between the language of laws in the language of the constitution. that should be what chains how he presents what he's doing to american people. what he needs to do or what to do should set the language. not a kind of loophole seeking exercise. i mean, if the authorization to use military force against al qaeda applies here, one kind of wonders where it doesn't apply. >> so there's legal and
constitutional questions. i want to turn to the political optics. how does this play for the president and for democrats if something goes wrong? >> it plays terribly for the president and the democrats. it's part of the game being played in congress. the ting that upsets me the most is we now go to war haphazardly, which is insane. so the president is allowed to proceed with his plans. but congress has no responsibility involved here because they haven't officially authorized it. the constitution seems to be clear congress is the branch of government that can declare war. what happens is things go haywi haywire, then they blame obama. they say he should not have done that. the real important thing for the american people when it comes to congress authorizing military action is that they're considered more the representative of the people
themselves. and so when they -- at the time they hypothetically authorize this action, it should come after a robust debate so the public is informed. the polls are meaningless because most of the people responding to the polls have no understanding of everything involved. >> that's a very important point. i want to come back to the question of congressional authority. we'll come back to that in a minute. still to come, major admissions from nfl commissioner roger goodell and the news broken in a new bombshell reports that puts the ray rice abuse story in a whole new light. who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone. who's going to take the leap? who's going to write the code? who's going to do it? engineers. that's who. that's what i want to do. be an engineer.
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there are valid reasons for war. they should be few and far between. they should be very importantly debated, not shuffled into a 2000 page bill and shuffleded under the rug. when we go to war it's the most important vote that any senator will ever take. >> that was senator b rand paul speaking in a fiery speech before his colleagues in the gnat voted to do just that. so i want to come back to the question of congress. is this a two-way street? shouldn't congress be the key institution under the constitution that is pushing the president to seek authorization? >> absolutely. i think both the president and congress are making it too easy for each other. that's also going to make it hard later on. a lot of people in congress and the senate are worries about how a vote would play.
it was a sort of general jes clur in the direction of support for the operation specifically about training the rebels. but you know, they are making it too easy for the president to do this. some of them for ideological reasons. republicans who believe it should be easy for the president to do it. a lot of them because they're worried about how their vote is going to play in the next election. it's very unpredictable how it's going to play. hillary clinton offered for it in iraq. she came to regret it. she's now said she did regret it. in that case maybe it's crazy, it's possible they should vote on what they believe on. >> speaking of rand paul and hillary clinton, i just want to indicate some of the key votes, potential 2016 presidential candidates. ted cruz votes no. rand paul voted no.
marco rubio voted yes. bernie sanders no. elizabeth warren no. what power does congress have if they disagree with military action? >> they do have the power not to fund it. but the reverse is also true. so if there are appropriations where presidents have done in the mast. you mentioned president clin in on the in kosovo. they used the appropriations bill to say congress has approved. how can you say you don't approve when you have given us the money to conduct the strikes. the white house has called i an authorization. not just an proappropriation. it's true they did not authorize anything. they just approved the funding of the training and the arming of the rebels and not just that, but in the legislation, even marco rubio has a little bit of nail at the bottom of the legislation says nothing in the legislation should constitute authorization for american
forces. so even if they took it that far, they still ducked on the question of authorizing forces. >> i want to get to the question of congress ducking. and there's a well known empirical finding that there are in many cays two presidencies. the presidency around foreign policy in which presidents have much manufacture latitude and then a presidency around domestic policy and we know obstructing much of this president's agenda. what is the political benefit to congress on not voting on military thorks and why are they stepping back and letting all presidents have such latitude? >> one, i think the president should have a great deal of latitude when it comes to national security. there seems to be general gream on that. in this case i think congress is all over the map. both parties seem to be split. i think congress does not understand the situation very
well. and we had not decided to make air strikes against isis until the videos came forward. the videos were horrible. but you don't go to war on that basis. if we wanted to go to war against isis after the videos, we should have wanted to go to war against isis before those videos. so i think congress really wants no part of this. i'm not sure how much the president wants a part of this. so there is really an absence of political leadership. one of the most important issues facing the country. >> you walk into that room very quietly without thinking about it. but then you're there and you have to see what happens next. and that's something that hasn't been discussed. nobody wants to think about what's behind the door. but they're going in. >> to be continued.
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nearly twice the number of when we met a couple of weeks ago, you start to get a sense of the rapid escalation now that we're seeing of the virus as it moves from what was linear increasing cases to now almost an exponential increase. >> and those an an underestimate. a worst case scenario road map predicted 20,000 people could ultimately be affected by the ebola virus. and they warn the global resources fell far short of what is actually needed. if you've been following the coverage in recent weeks you've already heard the same warning from a guest whoes who has become a go-to. and two weeks ago, that guest appeared oen this program when she put the u.s. government on notice about taking the lead in the fight against ebola.
>> i'm going to speak now to the pentagon and to its counterparts in other wealthy nations. here's our opportunity moment. >> let's pause there for a moment. now i want to show you what lori sid next and what president obama announced nine days later. >> we need to act. >> there's needs to be an increase in the commitment. in the personnel on the ground. in the logistic concern. we need u.s. army to fly in the medevac units that they're so good with. >> we're going to this establish a military command center in liberia to support civilian efforts across the region. our forces will bring their expertise in command and control in logistics and engineering. >> ghana is saying we're prepared to be the air bridge. you know, ghana doesn't have the capacity to take care of all the kind of logistic and supply issues. >> we're going to create an air bridge to get health workers and medical supplies into west africa faster. >> they know how to fly right
in, set up a medical response capacity, and boom, it's on the ground and it's running in 24 hours. >> we're going to establish a staging area to help distribute personnel and aide on the ground more quickly. >> joining me now is lori garret, senior fellow for loren health for the council of regulations. she received the 1996 pulitzer price for her coverage of the ebola epidemic. thank you for coming back. the u.s. is sending 3,000 troops to fight ebola, and it's the first military team that arrived in liberia on thursday. this is several months after the outbreak. is this too late too late? >> first of all, it's now clear it's 3,000. that was a number made up by the white house. people tell me we haven't done the situation report to determine how many of your responders we actually need to deploy. so we'll see. it could be considerably more or considerably less.
secondly, the first deployment is a major general who is selting selt ing setting up a command poeps. that's a far cry from getting the hospitals, and then redeploy it on smaller plans to specific locations inside the epidemic. and a far cry from deploying necessary medical personnel. on thursday i was at the u.n. for a true historic moment where 130 nations, the largest consensus in the history of the u.n. for any vote on any issue backed a resolution to stop this epidemic. and the resolution had embedded it in some things that may have seemed controversial two weeks ago but o are now considereded essential. and it calls for every nation in the world to follow the u.s. lead and mobilize to the ground. the problem is the virus is
running on a curve that's going like this. and the response is running on a curve that's going like this. >> so i want to play sound from thursday of the u.n.'s coordinator for the ebola response. >> i estimate that the response to the outbreak has to this be increased by as much as 20 times in the coming weeks. is so that it is going to be possible to get ahead of the joult break and stop it as quickly as possible. >> so as you just said and as the u.n. has said, there's an exponential increase in terms of how vast it can spread. how much worse can things get? >> let me go a step further. in the beginning of this segment you talked about the who road map, which forecast a dire
scenario of 20,000 cumulative cases. i think almost all parties would agree that we're almost there already. and when margaret chan spoke to the kurt council this week. she said all of our numbers are, quote, vast underestimates. the best guess is at this moment we have more than 15,000 cases already. now if it's doubling every 21 days, that's the conservative guess. some think it's doubling every ten days. but let's go with 21. let's not go too wild. so just do your math. every 21 days means by the end of september we'll be up to 30,000. by mid-october we'll be at 60,000. by thanksgiving we'll be at 250,000. by christmas it will be 400 some thousand. just do the math.
so if we don't scale at a pace for every responding institution is unprecedented in the history of that organization, never gotten to the people to the ground that fast before, never moved supplies that fast before, the virus will win. >> laurie, so much more to say about this. i hope the president and the global community is listening and watching and hanging on your every word. thank you so much. i'm sure we'll have you back. >> thank you for your concern. >> up next. time for an installment of this week in voter suppression badger state edition. (vo) get ready! fancy feast broths. they're irresistabowl... completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for.
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2011. you probably remember scenes like this when the capital in madison, wisconsin, was flooded on a daily basis with protesters pushing against walker's legislation. he went onto face a recampaign efforts but he won that race, too. becoming the first governor in the u.s. to face a recall election and win. that teed him up for a strong dark horse run for the party's nomination in 2016. but here's the thing about 2016 and scott walker, 2014 comes first. and for walker 2014 is proving to be a challenge. the latest marquette university poll showed him tied with mary burke, a wisconsin businesswoman and former head of the state's department of commerce. they each have 46% of the vote, with 5% undecided, the poll said. a loss at home will all be squash any ambitions voters
have. so it will be up to the voters to determine for scott walker has a future at home or beyond. at least it will be up to some of them. a three-judge panel ruled last friday that wisconsin's new voter i.d. law can go into effect immediately. the the law was passed in 2012 but has been locked by legal challenges until now. msnbc reporter zach roth has been reporting extensively on this story as well as other vote rights cases around the country. dale hogue is involveded in the wisconsin case. both join me now to explain what is going on in wisconsin and what happens now. >> what happened is a three judge panel, all republican appointed judges, by the way.
reimposeded have voter i.d. law that was blocked for years, almost since it went into effect. it was designed to be rolled out gradually over an eight month period. now unless the decision is reversed. this law will be in effect. and they have to imp limit it over the next seven weeks. the election is under way. absentee voters have already received ballots. those people would have to find out about the new change, show their i.d. or they will be disenfranchised. >> dale t courts said the rules have been changed to make it easy enough to get voter i.d. >> there are 300,000 registered voters. you would have to get thousands of people i.d.s every day for that to happen. there are only 92 dmv offices in
wisconsin. more than half are open two days a week or less. in two counties the dmv will not be open until after the election. so we have a really, really serious problem here. >> so what happens next? is there a chance to stop this? what are the next steps? >> so three judges ruled the law could go into effect immediately. but we asked the full court that consistents of 11 judges to reconsider that decision. the state has until tuesday to file the response. the election is under way. a number of voters have already cast their absentee ballots. if they didn't receive id instructions, they'll be disenfranchised. >> you says it goes to the full court, 11 members. one conservative judge said publicly he regrets his previous position on this. will he matter? whigt he recruise himself from this case? >> i think every judge on the is
11 member court matters. i wouldn't expect anyone to recuse themselves. can this law be implemented in six weeks? the answer is clearly no. >> zach. how important with these 300,000 voters? >> that can be extremely important in the governor's race. polls show that race is very close. if you have 300,000 voters, actually 370,000. 70,000 are not registered but expected to take advantage of same-day registration and be able to register on the day. that could make a difference. >> and we should say, wisconsin is one of 15 states that have passed voter i.d. laws. that will be going into effect this november. how do they stack up against the other 14 states? >> it's one of the strictest in the country. a lot of states have identification laws that are
broader than wisconsin's in terms of the tomorrows of i.d.s. other states like indiana had an opportunity for people who don't have i.d. to cast a ballot and then sign an affidavit testifying to who they are. >> thank you very much. still to come, attorney general eric holder has launched a historic study of police bias. we'll have one of the men asked to lead it. but first my letter of the week. check out all these airline seats. lots of them, right? but when you try to get one by using your travel rewards card miles... those seats mysteriously vanish. why? all the flights you want are blacked out. or they hit you up for some outrageous number of miles. switch to the venture card from capital one. with venture, use your miles on any airline, any flight, any time. no blackout dates. and with every purchase you'll earn unlimited double miles. now we're getting somewhere.
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and queen. the year before during my senior year i was the last and final person to be named homecoming king at u of i. because i used my platform together with the homecoming queen to protest the school's mascot. since 1926 has been represented at home football and basketball games but a student dancing around wearing a costume and head dress. i deeply believe that to be racist and offensive caricature of native american feel and saw the homecoming coronation as an opportunity to take a stand. it took another ten years before the university finally relented and did away with the chief and his on court antics for good. but i am proud of the very small part i played in the history ofry sis tans that led to that change. this week my letter goes to the student editor of a high school paper punished for taking a similar stand for what is right.
dear gillian, first, i want to commend you and your staff at the newspaper for your voes last year to ban the word red skin. from being printed in its pages. last year your paper's board wrote in an editorial explaining the decision that the evidence suggesting red term is a term of honor is severely outweighed by those. that think it's hate. as a journalist your first obligation is to speak the truce about injustices especially when doing so is unpopular. but your school administrators also say speaking truths of power can also come with consequences from those resistant to change. i know you learned that the hard way when your school's superintendent responded to your refusal to print the word by
suspending you as editor in chief. gillian, i hope you recognize this setback represents a failure, not on your part, but on the part of the guaranteed by the first amendment. but instead of teaching you how the press acts as a voice against unchecked state power, your educators have used the power granted to them by the state to shame you into silence. what's worse, they have done so in a term you and your staff recognize as raceist. i want you to know that you are not standing alone. jernlists at two dozen news outlets across the country have made the same decision about using the name of the nfl team
in washington. from the "washington post" editorial board to the mother jones magazine to the san francisco frchronicle. they're all with you in your choice. and for it's worth, gillian. i want you to know i stand with you, too. keep fighting the good fight. even if they continue to try to silence your voice, your refusal to back down speaks volumes, sincerely dorian. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪
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his family says it was a toy like decorative object. an independent autopsy found that hunt was shot six times from behind. the chief deputy at the utah county attorney's office said he hadn't seen the autopsy report and couldn't comment. he says an official autopsy could take six weeks. his mother told the news, quote, they killed my son because he's black. hunt's mother is white and his father is black. saratoga springs is more than 90% white. police deny race was a factor. this is the latest in a string of controversial police shootings including the death of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. in an effort to improve relations, attorney general eric holder launched an initiative on profiling. a three-year partnership between the justice department and the consortium of national law enforcement experts, social sciences and evidence based
researchers. >> events in ferguson reminded us we cannot allow tensions, that are present in so many neighborhoods across america. not just in ferguson. we can't allow these tensions to go unresolved, these problems to go unresolved. >> joining me now is one of the researchers leading the consortium. professor of sociology at ucla and you have described this initiative as a quantum leap forward. why is it so significant? >> we've had three kind of revolutionary advances in the science of doing effective and fair policing. procedure justice, which gave us the insight that cooperation and compliance with the law begins with trust in and it and not fear of it.
racial reconciliation says we have to be honest with our history and troubled neighborhoods have a few troubled people. but the rest of the neighborhood is okay and should be treated as such. and implicit bias. the mind scientists that say our minds are vulnerable to the stereotypes of the culture. imagine each one is like a surper hero. this is like putting together the justice league. these are the super friends. for the first time all three are together. and we're going to be trotting out initiatives we know have worked individually together in cities all across the united states that want this. they both want this desperately. >> so that's exciting in terms of ending police violence in the country. how are you use your super powers to build some data. talk about data bases and what you hope to accomplish. >> so this initiative, the national initiative to build kmunlt trust and justice. these are the initiatives to do
transformative interventions with police departments. we're going to give them praning. we're going to get them to look at their policies. we'll be doing the things that these different avenues that they all say. separate from that, independent from that, completely different from that, the national science foundation has also funded the ability to put together the first ever national data base of police stops and use of force. >> because this is all decentralizeded. >> that's right. that's right. so these two separate initiatives are going along in parallel. but the new national initiative has no data collection ch it's going to be taking advantage of the other data base that does have collection in it. >> you said trust. we know bridging this trust divide will be incredibly difficult. 70% of african-americans said police do a poor job of treating racial and ethnic groups equally
compared to 25% of whites. how can you change stats like that around? >> when you have a terrible reputation, there's two things you need to start with. there's a degree to which you earned it and you have to claim that. that doesn't mean you, officer warren did anything, but the the officer that used to patrol did, and you can scream and holler it wasn't me. but you want to say, no, i'm going to take owner ship of that. the second thing is you have to tell your kids that policing belongs to us. so the community needs to take that back. >> so just on this last point that you just made about communities. the the attorney general says this is about communities engaging skrukt vly with police. tell us how that can happen. >> one of the things that the people involved in this movement. want. they want the legacy to say parents no longer teach their
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goodell addressed the media in new york, we hadn't heard from him for a while, ten days. it had been 11 days since video footage of ray rice knocking his then-fian then-fiancee was shown. that reigniteded the initial punishment of the now farmer ravens runningback and put a national focus on domestic abuse involving other players. the recent charge of injury to a child. and hardy choked and threatened to kill his girlfriend in may. his team later deactivated hem. yay mcdonald who was arrested on domestic violence charges on august 31st. also, cardinals running back jonathan dwyer arrested this past wednesday on aggravated
assault charges for head butting and punching his wife, breaking her nose and throwing a shoe at citizen 17-month-old son. dwyer has been deactivated. having come under fires for fans, journalists and now league and team sponsors, commissioner goodell emerged from his media hibernation apologetically. >> unfortunately over the past several weeks we have seen all too much of the nfl doing wrong. that starts with me. we will do whatever is necessary to ensure that we are thorough in our review process and that our conclusions are reliable. we will get our house in order first. >> goodell announced a sexual violence resource center. the commissioner said all options were open but one.
>> have you considered resigning at any point throughout this? >> i have not. i'm focused on p doing my job and doing it to the best of my ability. i understand when people are critical of your pompbs, but we have a lot of work to do. that's my focus. amy kay nelson, contributing editor at animal new york. e and a former player representative with the nfl player association. thank you for joining us this morning. what do you think roger goodell was trying to accomplish yesterday, and did he get it done? >> first out of, he is trying to find a way to calm the storm. calm the waters. there's a lot going on right now. rightfully so. i think we've got to start the conversation out of the gate and let it be known there's never a moment in life when it's okay to
hit a woman. i want to make sure everybody knows out of the gate, that's my stance. we have a whole show to get into it. with roger's comments what he was trying to do is calm the waters, calm the storm. the temperature is very hot right now. and he's try to find a way to calm it all down. >> i want you to listen to this. should he have bothered? >> he keeps digging. so i want you to listen to this. this is him responding to a question from a reporter. >> can you justify not having an african-american as part of that group of women that you've hired to look into sexual assault and domestic violence? >> well, that's not true. we have internal experts that have been working on this that are people of color. that are women and men.
and they have been involved in this process from the beginning. >> amy, does he have the right people in the room for this? >> thank you for not identifying those people of color. i am so grateful to this reporter for asking this question. it was one of the first things i eatsed when they announced this community and the people being brought in. congr congratulations commissioner goodell. and one of the things that upset me is not having a black woman as part of a committee that is representing and working with a league that a huge percentage of its players are black and i'm guessing a huge percentage of their partners are black as well. and the face of this issue and the victim of violence is a black woman. it's just another sign or another signal or just another chapter that the league isn't completely, entirely tone deaf.
any sort of outreach or sort of public display of concern and things that they're trying to put in place. it really doesn't mean anything. it car car is very little wragt. >> people want roger goods el to be better. maybe it's not within him to be better in his job. and he's being exposed in a time of crisis. so they're putting him out front. he doesn't really have a lot to say. he does appear to have the support of the owners. all they ask him to do is take these punches for us now e until it goes away. >> he had ten days to show up to the press conference. >> let's talk about what got him out of hibernation. clearly sponsors are important here. so my question is, what role did sponsors play?
it to read a kweat from the wall street journal. she said she is deeply disturbed that the repugnant behavior of some players in the league mishandling of the case is casting a cloud over the integrity. other company sponsor -- many have tried to distance themselveses for the controversy. campbells soup company. proctor and gamble, covergirl issueded statements about domestic violence. is this all ability the much? >> the nfl is a business. >> let's get back to that. >> these companies are distancing themselves in words only. they're not taking away money. >> the is the threat real then? or is it public relss for the company? >> i think they're putting on the nfl to act and look proactive. maybe part of that is getting rid of roger goodell.
right now they're saying we want you guys to clean this up and look better about it. but there's not been any money. the only company so far that has taken any action is crest. they haven't removed their money. >> i think proctor and gamble pulled out of the breast cancer awareness month. i was -- my initial reaction is we'll see all these statements saying we condition dom domestic violence and we think the league needs to take this seriously. but, as you saw in the case of adrian peterson, nike suspended its contract. a local sponsor pulled out. there are a few. >> that's real action. that's the only thing that will make them pay attention. >> adrian peterson has missed a year before with injury. we know the nfl, the money train will go on whether adrian
peterson is there ore not. the league can withstand the absence of peyton manning, tom brady and adrian peterson. it's taking away from the league. >> let's noft forget about the lockout as well. it's strong. it's pumping. it's going. they found a away to create a business model where people love what's going on. they tune in to watch. they care so much. and how mad can you be at them? and when you're a player or an athlete or whatever you have going on, you're held to a higher standard. that's just how it is. my mama told me that since i was knee high to her. that's the way it was always going to be. to whom much is given, much is expected. we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard and higher level of accountable. in the grand scheme of things, you went through a list of player that have done something awful, terrible and in hot water at this moment.
if you compared the numbers to the entire population or the world, our numbers as a percentage of the population for screw ups is smaller than it is for the rest of the population. the the only difference is we're really great at our job and a lot of people like to watch what we do. >> we're in the public eye. >> everybody stay with us. we have a lot more to discuss. the league t the players and its union. that part of the story is next. work with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that's when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. virtually all your important legal matters
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the league's nearly five-month lockout of the players. now smith and roger goodell are working together to solve a number of problems the league is facing. they promise to test for human growth hormone and shorten some sus pejss and in a letter to teams on friday commissioner goodell stated educational programs for all 32 teams would begin within the next 30 days on preventing domestic abuse and sexual violence. as goodell said in the press conference, all league staff will also receive training. the league and union disagree on one big thing, the new indefinite suspension of ray rice after the video of him knocking his then-fiancee uncon she is. we not only take the obligation
seriously, but when we look at the facts and reach a determination there are appropriate grounds to apeelt any disciplinary decision, that is the role of the union. that is the duty of the union. we don't really shy away from that role at all. smith was not at the press conference yesterday but the commissioner said he would meet with smith to begin an eflg evaluation of the league's policies. how might it have helped if they did a joint press conference yesterday? helpful? hurtful? >> no one was going to be served being on that base with goodell yesterday. the reason they're in the situation they are today is because of roger goodel. he made a specific and calculated decision that he was going to oversee all discipline. there was not going no be an independent person, body, to
come in and rule for or against the players. and it's all sort of barrelled out from there. so he has only himself to blame the the entire situation. it's very rare. the other sports leagues don't have that system in place. "time" magazine put him on the cover a few years ago saying the enforcer. he projected himself as a moral arbitrator of the league when in fact he's representing a league that's morally vacant. >> as a former player rep for the union, what are steps you need to take to help with not just the short-term crisis but to make sure none of this happens again. >> i have to address morally vacant. >> address it. >> i'm a former player. i played a very lomg time in this league. i have one issue one time that was completely taken care of and
expunged off my record. i could have said nothing happened. but full disclosure. there are a small number of people that are finding a way to not do things correctly. there are a ton of guys, a lot of them are my friends. i spent a lot of time with these guys. they're good guys. they're good people. i kind of have to respond. >> i meant the league. i mean the way that goodell runs the league and the the way he tries to say i'm going to discipline players because we have a moral code here. >> i get what you're saying. and actually, i agree with you. i think it is by and large unfair that the majority of players are law-abiding citizens. they're not committing crimes. >> they go above and beyond when it comes to car tabl work. >> i want to get back to the union. >> so what's the role of the union in this this process?
>> well their statement was a very strong statement. that's why i've really been a fan because of his energy and the way he believes in protecting the players. but that's the job of the union. that's your responsibility. if you're a person that you get in trouble and hire an attorney, guess what, you are completely innocent. it's that attorney's job to make sure you come out as squeaky clean as you can. but at the end of the day the union's job is to fight for you like it's nobody's business. to make sure the best outcome for you and your situation happens. zblf it's interesting that now he wants this cooperation from the union. this is something he's intentionally tried to congeal all this power to himself. it spears to their arrogance. they say the law is a really complicated thing. people go to school and then
people have to take a test. and the laws differ by states. he was saying i can handle it all here. in addition to leading the league and making money for the owners, i'm going to do that too. now you're seeing the problem with the arrogance. this is really difficult. maybe from the beginning he should have involved the union and worked with them to allow them to have a voice. >> this is a negative situation for the league. >> let's put up something to reveal this. there's a recent nbc poll showing 53% disapprove of the handling of the reports of domestic violence. 29% believe the commissioner should resign. 85% says recent news has changed the amount of football they're going to watch. viewers aren't going to stop watching, but they believe he has to go. >> this is a chess game.
they've been trying to calculate how bad will the hits be? i would just say even though this is a terrible situation for everyone involved, you can't tell me that the guys in the union aren't secretly sord of -- >> is that true? if there could be any sort of win/win for us here u behind the scenes, this isn't a bad deal. >> >> this set the union up for more leverage? >> i think everything that goes out to the public and if the right attorney and smart people behind you. pretty much anything said can be used against you later. how many times have you heard if you get in hot water keep your mouth shot. anything you say can be used against you later. >> we're talking about what the league thinks about this and the numbers rolling in. you recallier this we're the cowboys owner, general manager and head coach jerry jones was
in the united kingdom and said i think think things are going so well we're going to expand to have a team in london some day. that's how out of touch they are with what's going on here. zblf back when i spent a lot of time with the owners when we were going through the collective bargaining agreement with the lockout and everything. the owners don't think about things a day fromday. a week from today. they think about things ten years down the road. they are the smartest businessmen i've ever seen or been associated with. that crew of nfl owners. that's the way they think. as high as the temperatures are and as inflammatory as the situation is, what do they say? the sea will calm. the storms will go away. it's a part of it. it happens. >> i'm glad you said the seas will calm. i'm not so sure.
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video the officer who happened to say he was a ravens fan described? detail to sanders what he was saying. he quickly relaid the damning videos play by play to executives in baltimore. this happened not within days. not within weeks. hours after the incident. the report adds ravens executive and the president and general manager began extensive public and private campaigns pushing for leniency on several fronts. from the judicial system in atlantic county where rice faced assault charges. to within their own building, where some were arguing immediately after the incident that rice should be released. late friday night they issued this statement. the espn.com's outside the line articles creates inaccuracies, false assumptions and
misunderstands. the ravens will address these after our trip to cleveland for sunday's game against the browns. now i have to ask you to listen to what the ravens owner told wbal on september 10th. a few days after the elevator video was posted and they terminated rice's contract. take a listen. >> we had seen that video, we would have probably had to -- we would have probably been told that we should wait until the court case came out. they had it. the police had it and gave them equal misdemeanors that night. that's astounding to me. and for me to tell you the truth, it looks like i'm pointing fingers at people. >> i want to read you a quote
really quickly. rice could scarcely believe what he was looking at. back-to-back text messages to bisciotti. hey, ray. we loved you as a player. it was great having you here. hopefully all these things will die down. i wish the best for you and janua janay. when you're done with football you have a job waiting for you. one moment they were calling him a liar. the next he was quietly offering him a job. >> there's a lot going on there. >> oh! thgs what i will say. i don't take shots at anybody's credibility. but the way the system works today, when you can always attribute stories to the word sources, you're always going to have issues. you're always going to have who
is telling the truth? i don't know yet. >> so as a former player es rep, how does this new information affect the union's appeal to the league? >> you put me in a tough one there. not an attorney by any stretch of the word. when you say you don't know, you say you don't have it. you've never seen the tape. you say you would have done something differently had you seen the tape if information comes to light you had seen the tape. if information comes to light that contradicts any statement you say, that's going to help ray. i get it. the whole commissioner's list and having to be away from the league and waiting for everything to die down, i understand all those things. but he's got a very strong case to get paid the money he would have been due minus the two games. that was the original suspension. he followed all the rules if r the suspension and everything that went down the pipeline. >> as bad as everything has been for ray rice, and i mean
deservedly so since february. the last couple of days have actually been as good of news as you could hope in terms of him getting his career back. i mean, the odds of another nfl team signing him are really, really low. but he does have, he would seem to be a stronger case for getting his suspension lifted and maybe, you know working around that in some sort of way. i think what's interesting about the report, if you believe everything in there is that you see the machine behind everything. nothing gets in the way of the game. even even the ravens. >> i want to play one more thing and get you to respond to this. this is the response from goodell to a reporter asking about ray rice. >> what exactly did ray rice tell you happened in the elevator, and how did what you
thought in your mind happen in the elevator differ from what we saw in the video? >> well, a couple of things. first off, we got new information. >> what did he say? >> well, one issue is this is now a matter of appeal. >> what about transparency? why not say what he said? >> well, i'm telling you right now it's inconsistent with what he told us. >> amy, is this the sort of thing that gets the commissioner fired? >> that's a nice dodge. he was dodging the best he possibly could. >> in the matrix. >> what's going on? >> in terms of getting roger goodell fired, i think it's a long shot. the owners will most likely continue to have his back. i wear this t-shirt because there's a phrase after reading the espn article that keeps circling through my mind. that's chain of command.
look at the entire story. i also want to say the people who wrote that story for espn, i used to be in that unit. the enterprise investigative unit there. i can guarantee you that story went there very many levels of vetting, including lawyers for espn and all the people are great journalist and great people. so separate from that, though. it's unbelievable to me that essentially, you know who looks the best coming out of the story, is ray rice. and by the way the most savvy. that passage about someone givering him advice to take a screen shot of the phone without the owner's name and the cell phone, which allowed espn to confirm that the ravens had to admit yes, in fact our owner did text message him that contradictory statement. just sort of proves that only underscores how tore bli the league has handled the entire situation. >> and the ravens. >> and people on twitter want to
know where you got that t-shirt. >> i see that. i don't know if i want to give it up. i'll go on twitter. how about that? >> tweet amy on twitter. >> thank you very much. amyk. nelson and chester pitts. still to come, a different nfl story than the one you've been hearing about all week. [ chil] [ telephone rings ] [ shirley ] edward jones. this is shirley speaking. how may i help you? oh hey, neill, how are you? how was the trip? [ male announcer ] with nearly 7 million investors... [ shirley ] he's right here. hold on one sec. [ male announcer ] ...you'd expect us to have a highly skilled call center. kevin, neill holley's on line one. ok, great. [ male announcer ] and we do. it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. ♪ it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. ♪hey! i found a happy space... after-school snacking should be fun and nutritious that's why whole grain is first in every general mills big g cereal. what matters most should always come first.
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looking to bring the four players out of the shadow of historying by telling their stories. >> that happened in sports as well. even if you were a star athlete, the rules of segregation were still enforced. >> it had to be awful knowing you were better than everyone and not being allowed to play. zblf before jackie robinson, there was kenny washington. >> when kenny washington set foot onto the ucla campus he was already a star. >> he was just a minimum voice. a guy like that coming through the line, it would scare you. >> bill willis. >> bill was a great player. his style was giving all out effort all the time. >> his development as an athlete was just natural. >> these four men were celebrated on the fields on saturday. but they were not drafted in the
nfl. because the league was segregated. >> the documentary forgotten four premiers september 23rd on the epix network. and from cleveland, the sons of history making play bill willis, clint willis and bill willis jr. thank you all for joining me. bill, tell me about your father as a person and as a player. did he see himself as part of civil rights history? >> as great a football player as he was, he was three times as great a father. that's mostly how we remember him. we didn't get to see him play very much, but we heard about his achievements through everyone else who knew him and came into contact with us as well. >> clint, part of the film talks about your father's relationship. when the browns went to play another team in the segregated
south. let's take a listen. >> they were left behind in cleveland when the browns played in miami on december 3rd, 1946. paul brown paid him $500 according to wisly. they got to stay behind. but it was just the indignity of the whole situation that still resonates today when you think that in the segregated south players could not go. and paul brown made the decision based on what he felt like his ultimate responsibility was, and that was to protect his players. >> so clint, how supportive of your father was he? and did you hear the story growing up in your household? >> we didn't talk much about that type of story. but paul brown was extremely supportive. before each and every game, he would send his front people out to the city was going to be
played to make sure my father would be able to enter the front door and be a part of hotel as much as the other players. paul brown looked out for them in every way imaginable. paul brown was about family. he was about inclusion. to include their wives as well. so they were very much a part of the success of the team because, as i say, he brought them into activities, picnics, social events, so forth. what have you. but paul brown looked out for all his players. and no less my father. >> so wes, i want to turn to you, all four players in the film broke the color barrier playing for two different teams. and part of the film discusses how the community in l.a. really put pressure on the rams to draft kenny and woody because
they were in many ways local heros. can you tell us how different were kenny and woody's experience in l.a. from their experience in cleveland. >> those were night and day. the los angeles experience was really forced by african-american sports writers in the public at large to require the langs rams to hire african-american football players if they wanted to play in the los angeles coliseum. and the argument was it is a publicly owneded facility. and it's run with public tax dollars. those tax dollars also come from african-american residents. if the los angeles rams wanted to play in the o coliseum, they needed to integrate and not discriminate based on race. >> so seeing the heroic nature of these four players and their restraint and obviously we cannot discuss this devoid of
the current moment of the nfl scandals, i'm wondering if something is different about the culture of the league today than in that moment in 1946. >> well there's a lot different obviously. i think one of the primary differences is the amount of money that is generated by the league. and by the sport and by sports in general. back then as they alluded to, their father was embraced by the cleveland browns primarily because paul brown played such a high regard for character of the players. and he welcomed them into the team and into the fold, where as they were not welcomed into the fold in los angeles. and those different approaches actually played out in the outcomes of the team. the cleveland browns won five championships in a row. four in the all american football conference. one in the nfl because they were fully accepting of all the
players and both played key roles. >> such an important point to make in a major moment of social transformation r, which also leads to winning. >> you get the right outcomes when you do the right thing. one of the other take aways from the film is character matters. all of them had tremendous character. and they had to rely on that character as they went through their struggles the first few seasons of the league. >> do you think as football becomes more important to american culture, more people will know your father eels name and his story. >> well, i hope so. i hope everybody has an opportunity to see this documentary. and get the takeaways that wes
was just talking about. it's not just about football. it's about people. about how people working together wanting a goal can do so. so hopefully it will become a household word for the right reasons. and that is because of character. that is because of commitment. that is because of social m coing together. as opposed to just physical prowess on the athletic field. >> wes, i have to ask you, do you see any parallels between the stories of these four courageous men? these four players and michael sam? >> sure. there are a number of parallels. willis motley, washington and stroud carried the burden of race with them when they doctored professional football. michael sam is carrying the burden of sexual orientation as he entered the league.
now the primary parallel is that it's the reaction of the outside of others towards these individuals. it's the ignorance and the boois exhibited towards them that they have to deal with. >> thank you so much to clint willis, be willis jr. and the executive producer, my friend wes, thank you again. the documentary premiers september 23rd at 8:00 p.m. on epix. up next, our foot soldier of the week.
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on her seventh birthday, she was diagnosed with lymphoma. in spite of it all, when she discovered two young girls in her neighborhood were homeless, she decided them to give them her new back-to-school clothes. from there, she founded a charitable organization set about to bring happiness to homeless, sick and foster children. grace has a board of advisers made up of young people ages 7 to 18 who help her brainstorm and develop upcoming projects to provide help for kids in need. they donated more than 100 pounds of school supplies to orphanages in both kenya and in her community in maryland, collecting cash donations from her community for the sinai hospital's pediatric cancer clinics which took care of grace during her illness. and craft kids, pillowcases that
young kids can decorate to cover their i.v. poles. grace is our foot soldier of the week. and to tell us more about what she is currently focused on, grace and her mother join us live from baltimore, maryland. good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> grace, how did you get the idea to create "we can serve"? >> i first got the idea to create "we can serve" when i was 7 years old and i had just started taking chemo. and it was near back-to-school time and i heard about these two little girls who were homeless. so i decided to donate my back-to-school clothes since the medicine made me gain more weight. and that's how i started to think that i can help more. >> and why do you specifically want to help kids? >> because it just seems really special. i have special connection, i
feel, with different kids if i get to meet them. and i'm just really happy that i'm able to do this. >> tell me what projects your gr group is working on now. what are you doing right now? >> right now, we are working on a new project called books and buddies, where we have different characters in books -- we have the books and then we have a little stuffed animal that's the main character. >> and you are now cancer-free. how did you feel when you found that out? >> i was super excited and very grateful. i was grateful to my hospital, sinai, and for all my supporters and to my church family and all my friends and family. >> t.j., i want to ask you, how did you feel when grace wanted to create this charity group? >> well, honestly at first i was a little reluctant because i think that as an adult, i started overthinking the process
and just probably thinking too much about logistics and administrative and considerations and liabilities. but what i came to realize is that grace clearly has a vision and this gift was given to her. and when i just decided that i would just strengthen my humility muscle, i was able to just follow -- i guess you could say fall in line and follow her leadership. i think it's been probably the most rewarding thing i've done in my life, besides giving birth to her. >> what have you learned from this experience? i love that phrase humility muscle. >> i didn't know i could become more humble. when you lay aside whatever degrees you have or the accolades that fill your resume and you recognize that someone else has a vision and you can actually decide to follow it and not just really infuse your own thoughts and agenda into it, then i guess -- i realized that
there was so much more growth that i have as a human being. and i'm just excited about our journey through mother/daughter relationship. >> grace, really, really fast, i hear you have a big run tomorrow. can you tell us about it? >> yes. i am one of the special racers. we are joining the race for our kids at sinai hospital. >> thank you to grace callwood and t.j. ellis in baltimore, maryland. our foot soldier of the week. we're all very inspired. that is our show for today. thank you at home for watching. special thanks to my big brother who hopefully today remembered to watch. it's his birthday. so happy birthday, brent. melissa harris-perry will be back here tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. now it's time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt." >> grace, she is adorable. i loved her mom. she's just watching her daughter with such pride. as well she should have. thank you for bringing that to us. we have new developments in the case of a missing university of
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